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Angela Bloom
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Next Wednesday 29 Sept there is a programme called 'Mediums: Talking to the Dead' on BBC2 at 9-10pm. It is 1 of 3 programmes.
It looks interesting...
Best wishes.
Angela
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the clark sisters
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Hi angie
goona watch it as well.
but take it as entertainment goes.
liase how we feel aftewards ok?
Let the forum know
regards
as always
Chrissi
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earthschildj
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Well I watched it and wasn't overly impressed to be honest. The developmental circle was interesting but still very vague i thought.
Hmmmm..... still pondering.....
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I only saw the last half hour of this - but I was impressed in particular with the guy who offers his services for free. He seemed spot on with his information that he gave to the couple in the spiritualist church. He gave specific information such as a FULL name - and I do honestly feel that he was genuine. 
I am less convinced with the Irish lady. She may well be genuine, but I thought the information she gave was rather general, however it did seem to satisfy the person in question and he went away alot happier. She charged £40 for a reading 
I have also seen the irish lady in other tv shows and thought the same of her then. There didn't seem to be anything specific to him, and was all just "I have a man here, a young man etc, and he didn't have the chance to say goodbye". That might well be genuine, but you have to admit it is rather general, and some mediums tend to have a habit of saying that.
I do think though, if the man went away happy and found what he was looking for, then great. If it was enough for him, it was enough for me 
Overall I thought the programme was sensitive, and kind of left it up to make your own mind up on the subject.....I love programmes like that.
Lina
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OrbGuffer
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I caught the last part only too, unfortunately.
What is everyone's feelings on mediums charging? Personally, I would feel incredibly uncomfortable about paying for a service that relies solely on belief alone. It'd be like priests charging for confession or absolution in my opinion. I can see where people come from when they ask for help towards travel costs if they are being asked to go to a specific venue, but surely £40 is excessive? I can drive the length of the country for that price!
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trance
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| I totally agree,but to some mediums its a full time job and food can not be paid for with thankyous.I personally see the abillity of second sight as a special gift which should be shared with everyone and not exploited.But saying that,a reputable medium would have had proper training and certificates to show their competence ,which i am affraid costs quite a bit of money so yes maybe they should charge,because to them it is a business.I can see the pros and cons of charging money but this time i'm sitting on the fence.And as for priests charging for confession and other duties,maybe i'm wrong but surely even priests get a pay packet for teaching the words of God
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OrbGuffer
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But saying that,a reputable medium would have had proper training and certificates to show their competence ,which i am affraid costs quite a bit of money so yes maybe they should charge,because to them it is a business.
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What sort of training? I've not heard of that before.
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And as for priests charging for confession and other duties,maybe i'm wrong but surely even priests get a pay packet for teaching the words of God
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I don't know either, to be honest - I assumed the Church would cover their living costs or pay them..... not the parishoners or congregation.
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trance
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| Well there is the Arthur Findlay college in stansted for a start ,and maybe my answer for the priests money was said wrong but they are still being paid money by someone to preach and teach religion ,which is what spiritualism is now classed as,but then what is your answer to when a collection plate is passed around the congregation,at that point surely then they are paying for it?.And does it also mean that the certificates of competence that i have gained from a respected and professional healing foundation are worthless?
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what is your answer to when a collection plate is passed around the congregation,at that point surely then they are paying for it?.
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Yeah but I thought that was considered a donation rather than paying for services, and I thought that went to the church for funds for its upkeep, not to the priest or vicar himself? Perhaps a church goer who knows either way could clarify that?
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And does it also mean that the certificates of competence that i have gained from a respected and professional healing foundation are worthless?
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Well I don't know - are they? I never implied they were so if you think they may be, that's up to you. I was asking a genuine question as to what courses you were referring to as I'd not heard of any. But thanks for pointing me in the direction of the Arthur Findley college, I'll see if I can google up more info about it.
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trance
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| Well if you ever felt the need to visit a medium,throwing aside your views on them as a whole,would you rather been seen by 1 that has spent years training and perfecting their skill or someone that you find in a booth at a fairground?.And also i have worked alongside healers that will only take money by donation,there is no set amount to give but sometimes when someone pays a bit extra for healing then that bit extra goes towards someone who needs healing but is not able to pay for it,because with healing no one is turned away.So really in a church or healing,you are handing over money for something you believe in.I never meant to imply that a priest would pocket the collection plate .
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Well if you ever felt the need to visit a medium,throwing aside your views on them as a whole,would you rather been seen by 1 that has spent years training and perfecting their skill or someone that you find in a booth at a fairground?
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Interesting lol - what views on Mediums? I don't think I've expressed a spcific view on mediums here yet. But I stand corrected if I have! 
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trance
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| Lol no i dont think you have given a view on mediums,but it was just a question on which you would trust more.
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| It's a fair enough question, without knowing what the training etc involved I couldn't say one over the other, to be honest. I would need to evaulate the credentials before saying I'd prefer either choice. For all I know, a few fairground mediums may also have been through the same training!
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trance
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| At the end of the day what i am saying is that would a person be more willing to hand over money for a reading if the medium had spent their own money,time and effort in making themselves a better medium,thus gaining the publics confidence before they even give a reading?
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Lina
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For what its worth, my opinion is that if someone has a gift and is running it as a business, then it is only fair to pay.
Otherwise, unfortunately, people as they are do take the mick somewhat and expect all sorts for free.
For example, I have the gift of clairsentinence. (I think that's what its called), and I can just touch someone and get a really heavy instinct/feeling from them them.
When people have heard about it - I am often asked to try it on them, which I feel is unfair and I sometimes feel used....I know it is up to me to say yes or no, but I do genuinely want to help people so I don't often refuse.
I also read the tarot cards, and experience the same. So my general rule of thumb is that I only read and help my immediate friends and family.
Sometimes I do feel that I should charge for my time especially when reading for a friend of a friend etc...
That said - I do feel that sometimes mediums do charge an excessive amount for their services.
Most readings last anywhere between 15 minutes and 1 hour - I feel that some mediums (particularly those who read for celebs) charge ridiculous amounts sometimes in excess of £75.00...!!
I once had a reading done by a woman who charged me £25 for 15 minutes and I was very disappointed. In fact, I question her motives and if she was genuine in the first place - but hey we live and learn
I would and have paid for readings, but only with those who have come recommended by someone.
However, I would much sooner pay a donation, as you would if you visited a spiritualist church - then it is up to the person who has had a reading on how much they value that reading/how much they can afford etc.
Also - in some respects you do have to pay priests/vicars etc for services they offer, such as excorcism, marriages, christenings etc. But these contributions go to the church - and priests/vicars etc do get paid some sort of salary. Mediums, however do not (unless they are running a business).
Then there's these rip off phone lines.....PURLEASE...!!
Lina
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